The incidence tables, read line by line
Almost every figure in circulation about tolerability comes from six publications. This is what they say.
TheCompound Journal
Reporting on incretins, compounding & the peptide supply chain
Dose practice
Weight reduction in the long programmes flattens at roughly sixty to seventy-two weeks. The timing is consistent, predictable and almost never mentioned in advance.
Ask what the lowest dose that maintains a result is, and the literature goes quiet. The withdrawal-design trials answer a different question: they compare continuing at the achieved dose against stopping, and they answer it emphatically in favour of continuing. The intermediate case — continue at half the dose, or at the same dose every other week — has been examined in small studies and modelled at length and randomised almost not at all. Given that cost is the commonest reason for discontinuation, this is an evidence gap with a price attached.
In the sixty-eight-week semaglutide obesity trials, weight reduction decelerated visibly from around week forty and was close to flat by week sixty. Extended follow-up to a hundred and four weeks found the reduction broadly maintained rather than extended, which is the clearest available statement that the plateau is a plateau and not a pause.1
The mechanism is not mysterious. Energy requirement falls with mass. A person who has lost fifteen per cent of body weight requires materially less energy at rest and in movement, and the intake reduction produced by a fixed dose of a fixed drug eventually equals that lower requirement. Balance is restored and weight stops changing. The drug has not weakened; the target has moved.
Two inferences commonly drawn from a plateau are unsupported. The first is that receptors have desensitised — difficult to reconcile with the rapid and near-complete regain observed on withdrawal. The second is that the dose must therefore be increased, which in the trials produced a further step down the flattening dose-response curve rather than a resumption of the earlier slope. The plateau is predictable, is predicted, and is almost never mentioned to anyone before it happens.
The SURMOUNT-1 results are the clearest available illustration of a flattening curve. At seventy-two weeks the mean weight reductions were approximately fifteen per cent at 5 mg, nineteen and a half per cent at 10 mg and twenty-one per cent at 15 mg, against about three per cent on placebo.2 The step from 5 mg to 10 mg bought roughly four and a half percentage points; the step from 10 mg to 15 mg bought roughly one and a half.
Set against that, gastrointestinal adverse events and discontinuation for adverse events both rose across the dose range. The question of whether the top rung is worth climbing is therefore a genuine trade-off rather than a formality, and it will have different answers for different people.
The Journal has no view on where any individual should stop. We have a strong view on how the question should be framed: not as whether to reach the maximum, but as what the next increment is expected to add and what it is expected to cost. Framed that way, a decision to remain at an intermediate dose is a defensible reading of the dose-response data rather than a compromise.
The escalation table is not a finding. It is an administrative decision that survived into a label.
On how dose schedules are madeTwo trials in this class were built specifically to answer what happens when treatment stops. In the semaglutide programme, participants who had escalated to the top dose over twenty weeks were then randomised to continue or to switch to placebo; those continuing lost a further eight per cent of body weight over the following forty-eight weeks while those withdrawn regained about seven per cent.3 In the tirzepatide programme, a thirty-six-week open-label lead-in was followed by randomised continuation or withdrawal, with the continuation group losing a further five and a half per cent and the withdrawal group regaining approximately fourteen per cent.4
These are among the most informative results in the field and they are frequently over-read. What they establish is that the effect is maintained by continued exposure and reverses without it. What they do not establish, because neither design examined it, is whether a reduced maintenance dose would hold the result. The comparison was full dose against nothing.
Given that cost is the leading reported reason for stopping, a randomised comparison of full-dose against half-dose maintenance would be one of the highest-value trials nobody has run.
| Weeks without a dose | Residual fraction | Practical reading |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | ≈50% | Perturbation; label window generally applies |
| 2 | ≈25% | Resumption at previous rung usually uneventful |
| 3 | ≈13% | Consider stepping back one rung |
| 4 | ≈6% | Treat as a restart |
| 6 | <2% | Full re-titration |
| 8 | <1% | Full re-titration |
| First-order elimination model, illustrative only. Assumes steady state at the point of interruption and a seven-day half-life; shorter-half-life molecules clear faster. | ||
Practices described to us include remaining at the dose that produced the result, reducing by one rung after target is reached, extending the interval to ten or fourteen days, and stopping entirely with a plan to resume on regain. The first is what the trials tested. The others are extrapolations of varying boldness.
The interval-extension approach deserves a specific caution. Because exposure is governed by the ratio of half-life to dosing interval, moving from weekly to fortnightly dosing on a seven-day half-life does not halve average exposure — it reduces it and also converts a fairly smooth concentration profile into a pronounced peak-and-trough cycle. Whether appetite regulation tolerates that oscillation is an empirical question and the answer is not in the literature.
Our position is that maintenance is the largest under-studied decision in the treatment course, that the trials answer continuation against cessation and nothing in between, and that anyone presenting a specific maintenance protocol as evidence-based is overstating what exists. Readers who know of a randomised maintenance-dose comparison we have missed should write to standards@compoundjournal.com.
Compounded and grey-market preparations are frequently supplied at concentrations that do not correspond to any licensed presentation. That is not in itself a quality problem, but it removes every mental shortcut a person may have acquired, and it interacts badly with escalation.
The recurring error is arithmetic rather than clinical: a person who has learned that a particular volume equals a particular dose changes vial, keeps the volume, and changes the dose without intending to. We have seen this reported in both directions and at magnitudes exceeding a full rung on the ladder.
Two habits protect against it. Recompute the volume-to-dose conversion whenever the vial changes, from the stated content and the reconstitution volume, rather than carrying the old figure forward. And write the result down somewhere attached to the vial, because the calculation is easy and the recall is not. The Journal covers the underlying arithmetic in the injection-practice file; the point here is that changing vials mid-titration converts a titration decision into a units problem, and units problems are where the largest errors in this field occur.
First, the optimal escalation interval. No adequately powered randomised comparison of intervals at a fixed target dose exists for any molecule in this class.
Second, the optimal hold duration for a person who has not adapted at four weeks. Practice ranges from four to twelve weeks on no comparative evidence at all.
Third, the lowest maintenance dose that preserves a result. The withdrawal trials compared full dose with nothing.
Fourth, whether tolerability at one rung predicts tolerability at the next. Clinicians assume it does, plausibly, and the published dose-ranging data is not analysed in a way that answers the question.
Fifth, whether any measurable baseline characteristic predicts the ceiling. Nothing published does so usefully, which mirrors the situation for efficacy: mean behaviour in this class is well characterised and individual variation is not.5
The Journal lists these not as a complaint about researchers but as a map of where confident advice is currently outrunning its evidence. Anyone offering a precise answer to any of the five is offering an opinion, and should be read as doing so.
What follows this file in the department is the other half of the same problem: not how to raise the dose, but what to do about the symptoms that decide whether raising it is possible at all. Titration and tolerability are one subject examined from two ends, and the second end is where most people actually live.
Almost every figure in circulation about tolerability comes from six publications. This is what they say.
A small number of serious gastrointestinal events occur in people taking these drugs. Distinguishing them from the expected effect profile is the most consequential…
Dead space in the needle hub is a real and calculable loss, and it matters more at small volumes than anybody expects.
An effect is dose-limiting when it prevents adequate intake, prevents normal activity, or produces a risk of its own. Discomfort alone is not the test.
The practice is near-universal, clinically sensible, and supported by observational data rather than randomised comparison. We say which is which.
What the trials measured was continuation against withdrawal. What patients want to know is continuation at a lower dose, and that study has largely not been done.