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TheCompound Journal
Reporting on incretins, compounding & the peptide supply chain
Stopping
Three randomised withdrawal designs have tested what happens when treatment stops. Their results are consistent and they are consistently misreported.
The question of what happens when treatment stops has been answered more rigorously than most questions in this field, and that is unusual enough to state plainly. Three randomised designs bear on it directly: an off-treatment extension of the pivotal semaglutide obesity trial, a withdrawal design in which participants who had already reached a maintenance dose were randomised to continue or to switch to placebo, and a comparable design in the tirzepatide programme. All three point the same way, and the direction is not ambiguous.
The pivotal semaglutide obesity trial ran for sixty-eight weeks with a mean weight reduction of approximately 14.9 per cent on 2.4 mg weekly against 2.4 per cent on placebo.1 An extension followed a subset of participants for a further fifty-two weeks after both the drug and the lifestyle intervention were withdrawn, which makes it an off-treatment observation rather than a randomised withdrawal.
By week 120 — a year after stopping — participants who had received semaglutide had regained approximately two-thirds of the weight they had lost, finishing on average around 5.6 per cent below their original baseline against approximately 0.1 per cent for the former placebo group.2 Improvements in glycaemic parameters, blood pressure and lipids reverted broadly in step with the weight.
Two details are consistently dropped from summaries. The residual benefit was real: a mean 5.6 per cent reduction sustained a year after stopping is not nothing, and it is more than most non-pharmacological interventions achieve while they are still being delivered. And the lifestyle support was withdrawn at the same time as the drug, so the extension describes the removal of an entire intervention package rather than of a molecule.
SURMOUNT-4 applied the same architecture to tirzepatide with a longer lead-in. Participants escalated over thirty-six weeks of open-label treatment to their maximum tolerated dose of 10 or 15 mg weekly, achieving a mean reduction of approximately 20.9 per cent, and were then randomised one to one to continue or to switch to placebo for fifty-two weeks.3
Continuation produced a further mean reduction of about 5.5 per cent, for a total near 25.3 per cent at week 88. Withdrawal produced a mean regain of about 14 per cent of body weight, leaving that arm approximately 9.9 per cent below original baseline. The between-arm difference of roughly fifteen percentage points is similar in magnitude to STEP 4 despite the much larger initial loss.
The steeper regain in absolute terms is the expected consequence of a larger loss rather than evidence of anything peculiar to the agent. It is nonetheless the figure most often quoted without its denominator, and a fourteen-point regain from a twenty-one-point loss is a materially different statement from a fourteen-point regain from a ten-point loss. Both arms in this trial ended below where they began, and the arm that stopped ended roughly where the continued arm of the semaglutide programme did.
A supply gap is a discontinuation with no notice, no plan and no taper. Nobody has studied it as a clinical exposure.
On the shortage yearsThe parent programmes establish the losses from which the withdrawal arms fall: approximately 14.9 per cent at sixty-eight weeks for semaglutide 2.4 mg in adults without diabetes, approximately 20.9 per cent at seventy-two weeks for tirzepatide 15 mg, and — the only continuous two-year comparator anybody has — approximately 15.2 per cent sustained at week 104 with treatment maintained throughout.45
Read together, the withdrawal evidence supports four statements and does not support a fifth. Regain begins promptly after cessation, within weeks rather than months. It proceeds at a decelerating rate, with the steepest portion in the first three to six months. It does not, within twelve months of follow-up, return participants fully to their original baseline; residual reductions of roughly five to ten per cent persist at one year in all three datasets. And continued treatment maintains and usually extends the loss, with the extension diminishing as the plateau is approached.
The statement not supported is that the drugs cause weight regain, or that stopping leaves a person worse off than never having started. Nothing in these datasets shows overshoot above the original baseline at a group level. Every arm that stopped remained below where it began at the end of follow-up.
The Journal makes this point repeatedly because the contrary claim circulates widely and is often accompanied by a mechanistic story about metabolic damage. The withdrawal trials are the direct test of that claim and they do not support it. What they do support is the unremarkable proposition that a treatment for a chronic condition works while it is being taken.
| Interval | Residual at next dose | Accumulation ratio | Peak-to-trough ratio |
|---|---|---|---|
| Weekly | 50% | 2.00 | ≈2.0 |
| Every 10 days | 37% | 1.59 | ≈2.7 |
| Fortnightly | 25% | 1.33 | ≈4.0 |
| Every three weeks | 12.5% | 1.14 | ≈8.0 |
| Every four weeks | 6.3% | 1.07 | ≈16 |
| First-order elimination, complete absorption, unchanged nominal dose. Illustrative arithmetic only: no interval other than weekly has been tested in a randomised trial and this is not a dosing schedule. | |||
The withdrawal question changes shape when the drug was prescribed for something other than weight. In the cardiovascular outcome trial of semaglutide in overweight and obesity without diabetes, the reduction in major adverse cardiovascular events emerged over years of continued treatment, and the trial provides no information about what happens to that benefit on cessation.6 The same applies to the renal outcome data in chronic kidney disease with type 2 diabetes, where the effect on kidney disease progression was measured over a median of several years of treatment.7
There is no reason to expect an outcome benefit that accrues over years to persist after the exposure ends, and no trial has tested it. For a person taking the drug for glycaemic control, stopping has an immediate and measurable consequence in HbA1c over the following three months. For a person taking it for cardiovascular or renal risk, stopping has no measurable short-term consequence at all, which makes the decision harder rather than easier.
This is the situation in which the Journal thinks the withdrawal-trial coverage has done the most damage. Framing discontinuation as a weight question invites a person taking the drug for kidney disease to reason about it in the wrong currency entirely.
Every trial in this class delivers a behavioural intervention alongside the drug: energy-restriction targets, activity targets, and regular contact with a study team. That contact is itself an intervention of measurable effect, which is why placebo arms in these programmes lose two to three per cent of body weight rather than nothing. Where the behavioural component was deliberately intensified, the placebo arm lost around 5.7 per cent over sixty-eight weeks, which is a useful upper bound on what contact and counselling alone achieved in these populations.8
It matters for the withdrawal question in a way that is usually elided. The semaglutide off-treatment extension withdrew the drug and the lifestyle support together, so its regain figure describes the removal of a package.2 The STEP 4 and SURMOUNT-4 withdrawal arms kept the lifestyle component running, so their regain figures describe the removal of a molecule with support maintained.93 Those are different experiments and the second is the more conservative.
Anybody comparing regain figures across the three should therefore expect the extension to look worse, and it does. The Journal states which withdrawal design a figure comes from every time it quotes one, because the alternative is pooling two different experiments into a single number that describes neither. The same caution applies to the frequent comparison with dietary weight-loss regain, where the behavioural intervention is the whole of the treatment.
The Journal will keep pressing the maintenance question, because it is answerable, cheap to answer, and unanswered for reasons that are commercial rather than scientific. A dose-reduction trial in this class would cost a small fraction of a pivotal programme and would change the treatment of millions of people. Its absence is the single most conspicuous gap in the literature this department covers.
Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.
I take this for kidney disease, not for weight. Every piece of writing I encounter about stopping is about the weight coming back. It has taken me a year to find anybody willing to say plainly that the renal benefit accrued over years of treatment and nobody has tested what happens if I stop.
— N. Zangwill, Manchester
The claim that stopping does not leave you worse off than baseline is a group-level claim about trial arms. Individuals can and do overshoot. Your phrasing invites readers to conclude otherwise.
— N. Villaseñor, Guadalajara
Correct, and the distinction matters. We have added a clause: no arm overshot at a group level, which is not the same as no participant overshooting. The trials do not report individual overshoot rates and we have not found them published anywhere.
Three months after stopping, my HbA1c had barely moved and I concluded I had got away with it. Six months after stopping, it was back where it started. Your point about the lag is the single most useful sentence I have read on this subject.
— B. Achterberg, Utrecht
Your fortnightly arithmetic table is correct but I think it understates the practical point. A fourfold peak-to-trough swing is not merely lower average exposure; it is a different drug experience, with the last few days of each cycle spent at a concentration the person has effectively titrated off.
— P. Havlíček, Brno
Well put, and better than our own phrasing. We have adopted the point in the text with attribution to a reader.
Reported from the sessions, and from the two hours afterwards.
Receptor pharmacology is strong on average effects and almost silent on individual variation. That gap is where most reader questions live.
Reported from the sessions, and from the two hours afterwards.
A tour of the tissues where the receptor is expressed, and what happens in each.
A supply interruption is a discontinuation with no notice, no taper and no plan. That is a distinct clinical situation.
The condition on arrival is recorded by some services and not others, and it is one of the more informative lines in a report.