Do you need the top of the ladder?
The dose-response curve in this class flattens near its top. That has direct consequences for whether the final rung is worth climbing.
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Dose practice
What the trials measured was continuation against withdrawal. What patients want to know is continuation at a lower dose, and that study has largely not been done.
There is a widely held assumption that the correct dose is the highest approved one, and the trials give surprisingly little support to it. In SURMOUNT-1 the difference between the 10 mg and 15 mg arms was smaller than the difference between 5 mg and 10 mg, and both upper arms sat well above placebo. The dose-response relationship in this class flattens as it rises. Whether the last rung is worth its additional symptom burden is a judgement about an individual, and it is one the printed ladder quietly forecloses by treating the maximum as the destination.
In the sixty-eight-week semaglutide obesity trials, weight reduction decelerated visibly from around week forty and was close to flat by week sixty. Extended follow-up to a hundred and four weeks found the reduction broadly maintained rather than extended, which is the clearest available statement that the plateau is a plateau and not a pause.1
The mechanism is not mysterious. Energy requirement falls with mass. A person who has lost fifteen per cent of body weight requires materially less energy at rest and in movement, and the intake reduction produced by a fixed dose of a fixed drug eventually equals that lower requirement. Balance is restored and weight stops changing. The drug has not weakened; the target has moved.
Two inferences commonly drawn from a plateau are unsupported. The first is that receptors have desensitised — difficult to reconcile with the rapid and near-complete regain observed on withdrawal. The second is that the dose must therefore be increased, which in the trials produced a further step down the flattening dose-response curve rather than a resumption of the earlier slope. The plateau is predictable, is predicted, and is almost never mentioned to anyone before it happens.
The SURMOUNT-1 results are the clearest available illustration of a flattening curve. At seventy-two weeks the mean weight reductions were approximately fifteen per cent at 5 mg, nineteen and a half per cent at 10 mg and twenty-one per cent at 15 mg, against about three per cent on placebo.2 The step from 5 mg to 10 mg bought roughly four and a half percentage points; the step from 10 mg to 15 mg bought roughly one and a half.
Set against that, gastrointestinal adverse events and discontinuation for adverse events both rose across the dose range. The question of whether the top rung is worth climbing is therefore a genuine trade-off rather than a formality, and it will have different answers for different people.
The Journal has no view on where any individual should stop. We have a strong view on how the question should be framed: not as whether to reach the maximum, but as what the next increment is expected to add and what it is expected to cost. Framed that way, a decision to remain at an intermediate dose is a defensible reading of the dose-response data rather than a compromise.
Four weeks is the point at which a dose has finished getting stronger on its own. That is a kinetic fact, not a clinical result.
On the escalation intervalTwo trials in this class were built specifically to answer what happens when treatment stops. In the semaglutide programme, participants who had escalated to the top dose over twenty weeks were then randomised to continue or to switch to placebo; those continuing lost a further eight per cent of body weight over the following forty-eight weeks while those withdrawn regained about seven per cent.3 In the tirzepatide programme, a thirty-six-week open-label lead-in was followed by randomised continuation or withdrawal, with the continuation group losing a further five and a half per cent and the withdrawal group regaining approximately fourteen per cent.4
These are among the most informative results in the field and they are frequently over-read. What they establish is that the effect is maintained by continued exposure and reverses without it. What they do not establish, because neither design examined it, is whether a reduced maintenance dose would hold the result. The comparison was full dose against nothing.
Given that cost is the leading reported reason for stopping, a randomised comparison of full-dose against half-dose maintenance would be one of the highest-value trials nobody has run.
| Trial | Lead-in | Randomised period | Continued | Withdrawn |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| STEP 4 | 20 weeks to 2.4 mg | 48 weeks | −7.9% further | +6.9% regain |
| SURMOUNT-4 | 36 weeks open-label | 52 weeks | −5.5% further | +14.0% regain |
| Both designs compared the achieved dose against placebo. Neither examined a reduced maintenance dose, which is the comparison most readers ask about. | ||||
Practices described to us include remaining at the dose that produced the result, reducing by one rung after target is reached, extending the interval to ten or fourteen days, and stopping entirely with a plan to resume on regain. The first is what the trials tested. The others are extrapolations of varying boldness.
The interval-extension approach deserves a specific caution. Because exposure is governed by the ratio of half-life to dosing interval, moving from weekly to fortnightly dosing on a seven-day half-life does not halve average exposure — it reduces it and also converts a fairly smooth concentration profile into a pronounced peak-and-trough cycle. Whether appetite regulation tolerates that oscillation is an empirical question and the answer is not in the literature.
Our position is that maintenance is the largest under-studied decision in the treatment course, that the trials answer continuation against cessation and nothing in between, and that anyone presenting a specific maintenance protocol as evidence-based is overstating what exists. Readers who know of a randomised maintenance-dose comparison we have missed should write to standards@compoundjournal.com.
Everything above assumes the dose administered is the dose intended. For licensed pens that assumption is reasonable. For research-grade lyophilised powder it is an assumption that should be examined, because a titration schedule built on an unreliable starting figure propagates the error through every subsequent rung.
Two distinct quantities are involved. Chromatographic purity describes the proportion of peptide-related material that is the intended peptide. Peptide content describes what fraction of the vial mass is peptide at all, the remainder being counter-ions, residual solvent, water and excipient. A vial can be ninety-nine per cent pure and contain substantially less peptide than its label states, and content is the figure that determines a dose.
Of the four independent services this market relies on, all report purity and only some report content routinely. Janoshik, Medutest, PeptideMeter and VendorInvestigate have each published results in which nominal and measured strength diverged. The Journal has argued in Analytics that content should be reported as standard, and we repeat it here for a titration-specific reason: without it, the arithmetic of a step is being performed on a number nobody has measured.
Compounded and grey-market preparations are frequently supplied at concentrations that do not correspond to any licensed presentation. That is not in itself a quality problem, but it removes every mental shortcut a person may have acquired, and it interacts badly with escalation.
The recurring error is arithmetic rather than clinical: a person who has learned that a particular volume equals a particular dose changes vial, keeps the volume, and changes the dose without intending to. We have seen this reported in both directions and at magnitudes exceeding a full rung on the ladder.
Two habits protect against it. Recompute the volume-to-dose conversion whenever the vial changes, from the stated content and the reconstitution volume, rather than carrying the old figure forward. And write the result down somewhere attached to the vial, because the calculation is easy and the recall is not. The Journal covers the underlying arithmetic in the injection-practice file; the point here is that changing vials mid-titration converts a titration decision into a units problem, and units problems are where the largest errors in this field occur.
First, the optimal escalation interval. No adequately powered randomised comparison of intervals at a fixed target dose exists for any molecule in this class.
Second, the optimal hold duration for a person who has not adapted at four weeks. Practice ranges from four to twelve weeks on no comparative evidence at all.
Third, the lowest maintenance dose that preserves a result. The withdrawal trials compared full dose with nothing.
Fourth, whether tolerability at one rung predicts tolerability at the next. Clinicians assume it does, plausibly, and the published dose-ranging data is not analysed in a way that answers the question.
Fifth, whether any measurable baseline characteristic predicts the ceiling. Nothing published does so usefully, which mirrors the situation for efficacy: mean behaviour in this class is well characterised and individual variation is not.5
The Journal lists these not as a complaint about researchers but as a map of where confident advice is currently outrunning its evidence. Anyone offering a precise answer to any of the five is offering an opinion, and should be read as doing so.
Readers who think a paragraph above has outrun its evidence should write to the standards desk. Titration is a subject on which practically everybody has an opinion and practically nobody has a trial, and our correction log for this file is longer than we would like. That is the correct outcome of publishing numbers in a field where the numbers keep being checked.
Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.
The claim that nobody has randomised escalation intervals is too strong. There are protocol amendments in several programmes that effectively created slower-titration cohorts, and some of those have been analysed post hoc.
— S. Grootveld, Rotterdam
Post-hoc comparison of cohorts created by amendment is not randomisation, and treating it as such is exactly the elision we were objecting to. We accept that such analyses exist and are informative; we maintain that they cannot settle the question, and the file now says so in those terms.
You describe the plateau as an energy-balance event and dismiss receptor desensitisation. Is there not a third possibility — that adherence quietly falls off at around a year and the plateau is partly a behavioural artefact of the trial rather than a physiological one?
— S. Rajapaksa, Colombo
There is, and it is a better objection than the desensitisation argument. Adherence does decline over the second year of the long programmes, and the treatment-policy analyses absorb that decline into the mean. We should have said that the plateau is very likely a composite of energy balance and falling adherence, in proportions the published analyses do not separate cleanly.
I had a nine-week gap last year because my supplier stopped answering messages. Nobody in any clinical setting I dealt with treated that as a pharmacological event. Your framing of supply interruption as a dosing decision is the first time I have seen it written down.
— G. Kalinowski, Poznań
The dose-response curve in this class flattens near its top. That has direct consequences for whether the final rung is worth climbing.
Nausea and gastric delay attenuate over weeks at an unchanged dose. That single physiological fact is the entire justification for holding.
A plateau at an intermediate dose and a plateau at the maximum dose look identical from the outside and mean different things.
We give background rates alongside trial rates, because an event occurring during treatment is not thereby caused by it.
A purity figure is silent on peptide content, on water, on counter-ion, on sterility, on endotoxin and on stability. Each of those silences has a price attached.
The arithmetic of significant figures, applied to a document that routinely reports four of them.