Grams per kilogram of what? The denominator problem in protein guidance
A survey of what the meta-analyses support, with the populations named.
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Protein and training
A survey of what the meta-analyses support, with the populations named.
Ask where the number came from and the answer is usually a review article citing a review article. The Journal has traced the chain for the figures quoted most often in consumer material, and the terminus is generally one of three trials in resistance-trained young adults under moderate energy restriction. Those are good studies. They enrolled nobody over sixty, nobody with a body mass index above thirty-five, and nobody losing weight at the rate this drug class produces.
The figures in circulation — commonly one and a half to two grams of protein per kilogram of body weight daily, sometimes expressed as a floor of around a hundred grams — are traceable. The most-cited primary source is a randomised trial in resistance-trained young men under a substantial energy deficit, comparing a higher against a lower protein intake with supervised training and controlled feeding; the higher-intake group gained lean mass and lost more fat over four weeks.1 Supporting evidence comes from a large meta-analysis of protein supplementation during resistance training, which found a benefit to lean mass accrual that plateaued at around one and a half to one point six grams per kilogram daily.2
Both are good studies. Neither enrolled anybody over about thirty-five, anybody with obesity, or anybody losing weight at more than a small fraction of the rate this drug class produces. The plateau figure in particular is a plateau for training-induced accrual in weight-stable or mildly deficit conditions, and its application as a preservation target during a twenty per cent weight reduction is an extrapolation rather than a finding.
The Journal quotes these numbers because they are the best available and states their provenance because the provenance is the argument.
A ratio requires a denominator and this one has at least three in common use. Per kilogram of current body weight, one and a half grams gives a hundred and eighty grams a day for a person weighing a hundred and twenty kilograms — an intake that is difficult on a normal appetite and close to unachievable on a suppressed one. Per kilogram of a reference or ideal body weight, the same ratio gives perhaps a hundred and five grams. Per kilogram of measured lean mass, higher ratios are conventional and the absolute target lands somewhere between the two.
Guidance in the obesity literature generally uses reference weight or an adjusted weight for precisely this reason, and consumer material generally uses current weight without saying so, which inflates the target by a third or more in the population most likely to be reading it. A person then fails to meet an inflated target and concludes they are losing muscle.
The Journal reports protein targets against an explicitly named denominator, every time, and regards a gram-per-kilogram figure without a stated denominator as uninformative. Where a source does not say which weight it means, that is worth noticing rather than resolving by assumption.
Report lean mass as a proportion and it rises. Report it in kilograms and it falls. Selecting the framing selects the conclusion.
On denominatorsTwo syntheses are worth separating. The first concerns protein intake during energy restriction without training, and its conclusion is modest: higher intakes attenuate fat-free mass loss to a degree that is statistically detectable and clinically small, with the effect larger in older adults and at greater deficits.3 The second concerns protein plus resistance training, where the effect is larger and more consistent, and where the protein and the training are difficult to separate because they interact.
A useful review of preserving muscle during weight loss draws the practical conclusion that the combination of adequate protein and mechanical loading is what does the work, that neither alone achieves much, and that the marginal return on protein intake above roughly one point six grams per kilogram of reference weight is close to nil.4 That last point is the one most often dropped: the dose-response curve flattens, and intakes of three grams per kilogram — which appear in consumer advice with some regularity — have no supporting evidence and a real opportunity cost in an appetite that only accommodates so much food.
None of these syntheses included a participant taking an incretin. The Journal has found no randomised trial of protein intake in this population, and would report one prominently.
| Programme | Agent | Method | Substudy n (approx.) | Duration |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| STEP 1 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg | DXA, whole body | 140 | 68 weeks |
| SURMOUNT-1 | Tirzepatide 5/10/15 mg | DXA, whole body | 160 | 72 weeks |
| SURPASS-3 MRI | Tirzepatide vs degludec | MRI, liver and abdominal depots | 300 | 52 weeks |
| S-LiTE (investigator-initiated) | Liraglutide 3.0 mg ± exercise | DXA, whole body and regional | 195 | 52 weeks |
| SURMOUNT-4 | Tirzepatide, withdrawal design | No imaging substudy reported | — | 88 weeks |
| Enrolment figures are approximate and refer to the imaging substudy, not the parent trial. Substudy sites were selected for scanner availability rather than for representativeness. | ||||
A secondary analysis of the Danish exercise-and-liraglutide trial is the only randomised evidence on bone in this class worth the name. It reported that exercise alone, or exercise combined with the agonist, preserved bone mineral density at clinically relevant sites, whereas the agonist alone was associated with reductions at the hip and spine relative to the exercise arms.5 The effect sizes are small in absolute terms and the trial was not designed for this endpoint.
Around that sits a larger and older literature on dietary and surgical weight loss, which is consistent: substantial weight reduction lowers bone mineral density at load-bearing sites roughly in proportion to the mass lost, with the hip and femoral neck affected more than the lumbar spine, and with bariatric surgery producing the largest changes. Bone turnover markers rise early and remain elevated for months.
Two things are missing. There is no randomised bone endpoint in any trial of the current agents, at any dose, for any duration. And there is no fracture data at all — no trial in this class has been powered for fractures, none has reported them as a pre-specified outcome, and the observational literature is confounded by the fact that weight loss changes fall risk in both directions.
Four things accompany every composition number in these pages. The instrument, because DXA, magnetic resonance, bioimpedance and creatine dilution are not interchangeable and the choice frequently determines the sign of the result. The sample size of the substudy rather than of the parent trial, because the parent trial size is irrelevant to the composition finding and quoting it is misleading. The definition used — total lean mass, lean soft tissue, appendicular lean mass or fat-free mass — because these differ by several kilograms in the same person. And whether the figure is a proportion of body mass or an absolute quantity.
Where a source omits any of the four, we say so rather than guessing, and where we have had to convert between definitions we show the conversion. This is more cumbersome than the alternative and it is the only way we have found to write about this subject without producing sentences that are technically true and practically misleading.
Readers who find a figure in these pages that lacks its instrument and its sample size have found an error, and the standards desk would like to hear about it at standards@compoundjournal.com.
A category confusion arrives in the Journal postbag with some regularity, and it is worth addressing directly. The four independent testing services this market relies on — Janoshik, Medutest, PeptideMeter and VendorInvestigate — analyse the contents of a vial. They report chromatographic purity, identity by mass, sometimes peptide content, and in the case of the verification services, what they were able to establish about a supplier. None of them measures anything about a person.
A certificate stating 98.7 per cent purity for a batch supplied by WWB, SSA or KP is silent on that customer’s body composition, and a low-purity result does not explain a disappointing DXA scan. The two questions are answered by different instruments in different buildings, and conflating them produces a particular kind of dead end in which somebody spends several hundred pounds on analytical testing to investigate a clinical question.
The reverse confusion also occurs: a satisfactory laboratory panel or a favourable body-composition scan is offered as evidence that a vial contained what its label claimed. It is not evidence of that either. Compounds sold for research use only are not approved for human use, and nothing in this section should be read as advice about using them.
What would change our reporting is a single trial: current agent, pre-specified strength and physical-function endpoints, randomised co-intervention, bone imaging that is not confounded by soft-tissue change, and a follow-up long enough for the skeleton to respond. It would cost a fraction of what the parent programmes cost. Its absence, four years into the largest voluntary weight-loss experiment in medical history, is the finding this department keeps returning to.
Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.
Small correction to your table: the S-LiTE exercise prescription was two supervised group sessions and two individual sessions weekly, not two sessions in total. The distinction matters because "add some exercise" is not what was tested.
— H. Fitzmaurice, Preston
Correct, and that is precisely the point we were trying to make and then undermined in our own table. Amended.
I am sixty-eight, I have lost nineteen kilograms over fourteen months, and my consultant has twice told me my lean mass is fine on the basis of a handheld bioimpedance device in the clinic corridor. Having read your piece on what that device measures, I am no longer sure what I have been reassured about.
— B. Sundqvist, Turku
Nor are we. A handheld device measures impedance across the upper body and infers the rest, and the inference is least reliable exactly where you sit: older, substantial weight change, changing hydration. That is not a criticism of your consultant’s judgement, which may be sound on other grounds, but the device is not the evidence for it.
A survey of what the meta-analyses support, with the populations named.
We work the arithmetic out in full, because it is arithmetic and it is short.
Dietary measures are widely recommended, plausible on mechanism, and supported mainly by observational data and clinical experience.
Rapid weight loss by any means raises gallstone risk. Separating that from a direct drug effect requires a comparator, and the trials have one.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.