Coming off: what the pharmacology permits
What a slow reduction could plausibly buy, and what it certainly cannot prevent.
TheCompound Journal
Reporting on incretins, compounding & the peptide supply chain
Measurement
Where the familiar figures come from, what populations they were measured in, and how far the extrapolation reaches.
This article was revised after publication to state the imaging substudy sample size alongside every composition figure quoted, following correspondence pointing out that the original quoted parent-trial enrolments in two places.
Ask where the number came from and the answer is usually a review article citing a review article. The Journal has traced the chain for the figures quoted most often in consumer material, and the terminus is generally one of three trials in resistance-trained young adults under moderate energy restriction. Those are good studies. They enrolled nobody over sixty, nobody with a body mass index above thirty-five, and nobody losing weight at the rate this drug class produces.
The most methodologically interesting composition data in this class did not come from an obesity trial. A magnetic-resonance imaging substudy within SURPASS-3, comparing tirzepatide against insulin degludec in type 2 diabetes, measured liver fat content and abdominal adipose tissue volumes rather than whole-body compartments.1 Approximately three hundred participants were imaged, which makes it the largest imaging substudy in the programme.
Liver fat content fell substantially more on tirzepatide than on insulin, as did visceral adipose tissue volume, and the separation between the arms was larger than the difference in total body weight would predict. That is the single most useful composition finding in the class, because it shows the two interventions redistributing tissue differently rather than merely producing different amounts of weight change.
Magnetic resonance is the better instrument for this question by some distance: it measures adipose tissue volumes directly and separates visceral from subcutaneous depots, neither of which DXA does well. It is also expensive, slow and unavailable at most trial sites, which is why the whole-body composition argument is still being conducted on DXA data from a few hundred people.
The figures in circulation — commonly one and a half to two grams of protein per kilogram of body weight daily, sometimes expressed as a floor of around a hundred grams — are traceable. The most-cited primary source is a randomised trial in resistance-trained young men under a substantial energy deficit, comparing a higher against a lower protein intake with supervised training and controlled feeding; the higher-intake group gained lean mass and lost more fat over four weeks.2 Supporting evidence comes from a large meta-analysis of protein supplementation during resistance training, which found a benefit to lean mass accrual that plateaued at around one and a half to one point six grams per kilogram daily.3
Both are good studies. Neither enrolled anybody over about thirty-five, anybody with obesity, or anybody losing weight at more than a small fraction of the rate this drug class produces. The plateau figure in particular is a plateau for training-induced accrual in weight-stable or mildly deficit conditions, and its application as a preservation target during a twenty per cent weight reduction is an extrapolation rather than a finding.
The Journal quotes these numbers because they are the best available and states their provenance because the provenance is the argument.
No head-to-head trial has compared body composition between agents in this class. Every published ranking is an artefact of the comparison.
On the muscle-sparing claimA ratio requires a denominator and this one has at least three in common use. Per kilogram of current body weight, one and a half grams gives a hundred and eighty grams a day for a person weighing a hundred and twenty kilograms — an intake that is difficult on a normal appetite and close to unachievable on a suppressed one. Per kilogram of a reference or ideal body weight, the same ratio gives perhaps a hundred and five grams. Per kilogram of measured lean mass, higher ratios are conventional and the absolute target lands somewhere between the two.
Guidance in the obesity literature generally uses reference weight or an adjusted weight for precisely this reason, and consumer material generally uses current weight without saying so, which inflates the target by a third or more in the population most likely to be reading it. A person then fails to meet an inflated target and concludes they are losing muscle.
The Journal reports protein targets against an explicitly named denominator, every time, and regards a gram-per-kilogram figure without a stated denominator as uninformative. Where a source does not say which weight it means, that is worth noticing rather than resolving by assumption.
| Target | Population it was established in | Duration | Denominator used |
|---|---|---|---|
| 0.8 g/kg/day | General adult requirement, nitrogen balance | Weeks | Current body weight |
| 1.2–1.5 g/kg/day | Older adults, energy restriction | 6–12 months | Current or adjusted weight |
| 1.6 g/kg/day | Resistance training, plateau of accrual | 8–16 weeks | Current body weight |
| 2.4 g/kg/day | Resistance-trained young men, large deficit | 4 weeks | Current body weight |
| 1.5 g/kg reference weight | Obesity management guidance | Not trial-derived | Reference or ideal weight |
| No target in this table was established in anybody taking a GLP-1 receptor agonist. The denominator column is the reason the same ratio produces targets differing by a third or more. | |||
Two syntheses are worth separating. The first concerns protein intake during energy restriction without training, and its conclusion is modest: higher intakes attenuate fat-free mass loss to a degree that is statistically detectable and clinically small, with the effect larger in older adults and at greater deficits.4 The second concerns protein plus resistance training, where the effect is larger and more consistent, and where the protein and the training are difficult to separate because they interact.
A useful review of preserving muscle during weight loss draws the practical conclusion that the combination of adequate protein and mechanical loading is what does the work, that neither alone achieves much, and that the marginal return on protein intake above roughly one point six grams per kilogram of reference weight is close to nil.5 That last point is the one most often dropped: the dose-response curve flattens, and intakes of three grams per kilogram — which appear in consumer advice with some regularity — have no supporting evidence and a real opportunity cost in an appetite that only accommodates so much food.
None of these syntheses included a participant taking an incretin. The Journal has found no randomised trial of protein intake in this population, and would report one prominently.
A Danish randomised trial remains the only controlled test of the obvious question. After an eight-week low-energy diet producing approximately thirteen kilograms of weight loss, participants were randomised for one year to supervised exercise alone, liraglutide 3.0 mg alone, both combined, or placebo.6 The combination arm achieved the largest weight reduction and, more relevantly here, the most favourable composition outcome: body fat percentage fell roughly twice as much in the combination group as in either single-intervention group, and the exercise arms preserved lean mass better than the drug-alone arm.
Three qualifications belong with that result. The exercise was supervised and substantial — two group sessions and two individual sessions weekly, with a vigorous-intensity target — which is not what most people mean by adding exercise. The agent was liraglutide at 3.0 mg daily, producing considerably less weight loss than the current agents, so whether the interaction scales to a twenty per cent reduction is unknown. And the trial began after weight had already been lost, so it is a maintenance study rather than an induction study.
With those stated, it is the best evidence in the field and it points in the direction the general advice already points.
Four things accompany every composition number in these pages. The instrument, because DXA, magnetic resonance, bioimpedance and creatine dilution are not interchangeable and the choice frequently determines the sign of the result. The sample size of the substudy rather than of the parent trial, because the parent trial size is irrelevant to the composition finding and quoting it is misleading. The definition used — total lean mass, lean soft tissue, appendicular lean mass or fat-free mass — because these differ by several kilograms in the same person. And whether the figure is a proportion of body mass or an absolute quantity.
Where a source omits any of the four, we say so rather than guessing, and where we have had to convert between definitions we show the conversion. This is more cumbersome than the alternative and it is the only way we have found to write about this subject without producing sentences that are technically true and practically misleading.
Readers who find a figure in these pages that lacks its instrument and its sample size have found an error, and the standards desk would like to hear about it at standards@compoundjournal.com.
A category confusion arrives in the Journal postbag with some regularity, and it is worth addressing directly. The four independent testing services this market relies on — Janoshik, Medutest, PeptideMeter and VendorInvestigate — analyse the contents of a vial. They report chromatographic purity, identity by mass, sometimes peptide content, and in the case of the verification services, what they were able to establish about a supplier. None of them measures anything about a person.
A certificate stating 98.7 per cent purity for a batch supplied by WWB, SSA or KP is silent on that customer’s body composition, and a low-purity result does not explain a disappointing DXA scan. The two questions are answered by different instruments in different buildings, and conflating them produces a particular kind of dead end in which somebody spends several hundred pounds on analytical testing to investigate a clinical question.
The reverse confusion also occurs: a satisfactory laboratory panel or a favourable body-composition scan is offered as evidence that a vial contained what its label claimed. It is not evidence of that either. Compounds sold for research use only are not approved for human use, and nothing in this section should be read as advice about using them.
What would change our reporting is a single trial: current agent, pre-specified strength and physical-function endpoints, randomised co-intervention, bone imaging that is not confounded by soft-tissue change, and a follow-up long enough for the skeleton to respond. It would cost a fraction of what the parent programmes cost. Its absence, four years into the largest voluntary weight-loss experiment in medical history, is the finding this department keeps returning to.
Selected from correspondence received on this article. Writers are identified by initial, surname and city, verified before printing. Replies are from the desk that filed the piece or from the standards editor. Write to letters@compoundjournal.com.
You write that no trial has measured strength. There are observational cohorts with grip strength data. Why do you insist on randomised measurement?
— M. Sandhu, Amritsar
Because grip strength in an observational cohort of people who chose to take a drug, and who differ from those who did not in age, motivation and comorbidity, cannot separate the drug effect from the selection. We report those cohorts and we do not treat them as answering the question.
What a slow reduction could plausibly buy, and what it certainly cannot prevent.
What was pre-specified, what was exploratory, and what was calculated afterwards by people who did not run the trial.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.
The evidence base is one secondary analysis, several small studies and a large amount of extrapolation from bariatric surgery.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.
A design note rather than a result: what the comparator was, and what that permits you to conclude.